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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638705329; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=fx9QkfuMfBQoeZu/s9Des1SV6HEWmiAXQrOHeIa7S78=; b=oDKKwBqkdEIyl55/42YmabZ/3S+oCmmJIc0JEFpHwJiatEfbUveH0cSNAvZSBqUYv83Nrh MxuWKdU3S4Bd7nbRfV/e86IaglVQAEPEAFYdo9OWyPsJWn/PFx5HS43BquK5/7KNzxAhiG /6XJo4aC2ZiV+SXtbMEOK1yKRV9wkJoF+OXjg870iaNlzTvdXA1LW4nsnXqieycrg8tDq8 Gx+6qOInGQREkqIaC/SgrocBeMZCsYGk+lz3OnZ/uFMzODZUIbzFVvFoeIB/gLfh6iAxqF kw8sABT7obI/+JIsqE1/5h/exKt9TyaQF1gD7hDFVM5We+EwyI687a2LyJZN1g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638705329; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=iY74wdIoQM5d/mRw5Yk/x+EExhrfsporsGqM5JknzeMZO5ibFrQU0wMjOV5HqF7NPRVw90 ZvhV67cOGbnkijEjG4/Y0Vjqdzsjmu4tMeIfOhI3Kp+oj12C6gUDT54iXbAbm74Qq6kmNN 5L9iBRNYNbRixYrBsbD8gffuKEyrG1l74dWf87kysHJlbhJySw99WC7WzcdDDsU5lx6zRF NKNU5W05u4+PnVcToZ6FXyiaoSavt4RGc46FtgDzm285ijRJJzNb4yIJWPG3E9RCNfC6/y T7GHS3bBmUQGWif+hjKWr498FP9n65V8MS4H1brMvL1tgANezhFsYzyTAynVUw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b="T/MPqLpg"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.at (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.54 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b="T/MPqLpg"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmx.at (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AAEE5A0C7 X-Spam-Score: -4.54 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: TVEfIep6hk47 Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 05.12.2021 12:08: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> I view "Org Mode" as a "brand name". Something uniquely identifying Org >> mode and serving as a search term. > > Yes, it makes sense. > >> Is it your principal position about the title specifically? Do you thin= k >> that just referring to Emacs in the website description is not >> sufficient? > >> Note that my suggestion #1 has nothing to do with actual orgmode.org >> front page. Just about how it appears in search results. > > Yes, sorry for not explaining myself well: I was also referring to > search results, not the title in the web site... > > But the question is: what need is there to remove the reference to Emacs > in the search result? I think the emphasis is necessary. As we say in > spanish, it's like putting the bandage on before the wound. If there are > people who think that Org Mode can 'live' in some way outside of Emacs > (a respectable opinion, but that I do not share, at least 100%), I think > the burden of the work falls on them and not on us, the users of > Emacs-Org-Mode. Anyway it is my simple and subjetive opinion, and it is > not my intention to initiate a controversy with it. > > Best regards, > > Juan Manuel > > As a humble emacs and org-mode user I second this "simple and subjectiv opinion". Therefore I would first mention org as an emacs mode and secondly as a file format. best regards, Heinz