* newbie questions
@ 2009-04-06 11:04 Stathis Sideris
2009-04-06 15:40 ` Manish
2009-04-08 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Stathis Sideris @ 2009-04-06 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello all,
I'm new to org mode (the bundling of ditaa made me aware of its
existence!), and having recently converted a relatively large volume
of notes from freemind, I'm now giving org mode a serious test drive.
I have three questions:
(1) Is there any way to make the column placement of org-ellipsis
consistent? It seems that the presence of tags in headings cause
org-ellipsis to be placed in the right-hand side which makes it easier
to miss when looking at an outline.
(2) Is there any way to make org-cycle skip the "show all" mode? That
would make it to just collapse/expand the children of the current
heading.
(3) Are there any plans to implement persistent tree expansion? For
example, it could be that org mode would somehow remember which
headings were expanded when you were last using an org file. Or being
able to go back to the previous state after you've created a sparse
tree using C-c /.
Thanks,
Stathis
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* Re: newbie questions
2009-04-06 11:04 newbie questions Stathis Sideris
@ 2009-04-06 15:40 ` Manish
2009-04-08 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Manish @ 2009-04-06 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stathis Sideris; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Stathis Sideris wrote:
[...]
>
> (2) Is there any way to make org-cycle skip the "show all" mode? That
> would make it to just collapse/expand the children of the current
> heading.
If I understood you right then TAB should do that for you (instead of
Shift-TAB.)
>
[...]
>
> Stathis
>
Thanks for making ditaa. It's wonderful. :)
--
Manish
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* Re: newbie questions
2009-04-06 11:04 newbie questions Stathis Sideris
2009-04-06 15:40 ` Manish
@ 2009-04-08 15:44 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-04-08 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stathis Sideris; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Stathis Sideris wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm new to org mode (the bundling of ditaa made me aware of its
> existence!), and having recently converted a relatively large volume
> of notes from freemind, I'm now giving org mode a serious test drive.
Hi Stathis,
welcome!
>
> I have three questions:
>
> (1) Is there any way to make the column placement of org-ellipsis
> consistent? It seems that the presence of tags in headings cause
> org-ellipsis to be placed in the right-hand side which makes it easier
> to miss when looking at an outline.
No, unfortunately not.
>
> (2) Is there any way to make org-cycle skip the "show all" mode? That
> would make it to just collapse/expand the children of the current
> heading.
No, but pressing TAB one extra time is really very little effort.
>
> (3) Are there any plans to implement persistent tree expansion? For
> example, it could be that org mode would somehow remember which
> headings were expanded when you were last using an org file. Or being
> able to go back to the previous state after you've created a sparse
> tree using C-c /.
This has come up before, but is very complex and, in my
opinion, not really worth it.
You can use the VISIBILITY property to set fixed startup
visibilities for individual trees.
- Carsten
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stathis
>
>
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* Newbie Questions
@ 2009-07-09 20:37 Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-07-09 21:04 ` Brian van den Broek
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From: Andrew M. Nuxoll @ 2009-07-09 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs-orgmode
Ok, newb here. I have only been using org-mode for a few days now. But
I've been an emacs guy since 1992, I have read the manual and I've also
searched the archive of this mailing list. So, forgive me if these
questions are repeats. Also, Dominick said you had to be nice to me
while he was away.
1. When I view my agenda for a day it displays TODO items twice if they
are both SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd (a common occurrence for me). Can this
be avoided? Here's a generic example snippet from my agenda:
Thursday 9 July 2009
nux: Scheduled: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
nux: In 1 d.: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my
agenda. Can this be avoided?
Meta-Comments on Questions 1&2: I realize I have the option of using
the "ToDo Items" agenda view instead of the day/week agenda view but
that doesn't work for me because I use the SCHEDULED property as a way
of selecting a small subset of tasks for the day from a long list of
TODO items. I also rely heavily upon repeating tasks to automate most
of this. So maybe the solution to #1 and #2 is to use a custom agenda
of some sort but I don't see an obvious way to create one that does what
I want.
3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would
increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for
increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula.
Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist?
Thanks,
:AMN:
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2009-07-09 20:37 Newbie Questions Andrew M. Nuxoll
@ 2009-07-09 21:04 ` Brian van den Broek
2009-07-10 3:16 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Brian van den Broek @ 2009-07-09 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs-orgmode; +Cc: Andrew M. Nuxoll
Andrew M. Nuxoll said unto the world at 09/07/09 04:37 PM:
> 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my
> agenda. Can this be avoided?
I have the following lines in my .emacs:
(setq org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t)
(setq org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t)
Best,
Brian vdB
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2009-07-09 20:37 Newbie Questions Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-07-09 21:04 ` Brian van den Broek
@ 2009-07-10 3:16 ` Nick Dokos
2009-07-10 4:08 ` Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-08-03 4:27 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-07-10 17:43 ` Memnon Anon
2009-08-03 20:35 ` Samuel Wales
3 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2009-07-10 3:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew M. Nuxoll; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Andrew M. Nuxoll <nuxoll@up.edu> wrote:
> Also, Dominick said you had to be nice to me while he was away.
>
Just an FYI (a nice one since Carsten said so :-): Carsten is the first
name, Dominik (no c) is the surname of the creator of Org-mode. And I
promise we'll be nice even after he comes back :-)
> 1. When I view my agenda for a day it displays TODO items twice if they
> are both SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd (a common occurrence for me). Can this
> be avoided? Here's a generic example snippet from my agenda:
> Thursday 9 July 2009
> nux: Scheduled: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
> nux: In 1 d.: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
>
I think you SCHEDULE an item on a given day, in order to start working
on it on that day. There is generally no penalty for taking perhaps a
long time to finish it, or rescheduling it for a later time. All that
happens is that at some point in the future it'll pop up in the
agenda. DEADLINE on the other hand implies a penalty: if you don't
finish it by the deadline, something bad is going to happen. It then
starts appearing in the agenda a few days before the actual deadline to
remind you of the dire consequences, should you miss the deadline. How
many days before is controllable either by a global variable or by
modifying the timestamp (see section 8.3 of the manual: Deadlines and
Scheduling). Apologies if you already know the details, but I wanted
to highlight the difference between these two.
So let me turn the question around: why do you need to both SCHEDULE
and DEADLINE the same item?
> 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my
> agenda. Can this be avoided?
>
I believe this was answered already.
>
> Meta-Comments on Questions 1&2: I realize I have the option of using
> the "ToDo Items" agenda view instead of the day/week agenda view but
> that doesn't work for me because I use the SCHEDULED property as a way
> of selecting a small subset of tasks for the day from a long list of
> TODO items. I also rely heavily upon repeating tasks to automate most
> of this. So maybe the solution to #1 and #2 is to use a custom agenda
> of some sort but I don't see an obvious way to create one that does what
> I want.
>
> 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would
> increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for
> increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula.
> Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist?
>
I don't think anything like that exists, but with a Small[1] Amount of
Programming (TM), it could probably be cobbled up - maybe as a cron job?
Nick
[1] OK, maybe not so small...
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* Re: Newbie Questions
2009-07-10 3:16 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-07-10 4:08 ` Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-07-10 7:06 ` Ian Barton
2009-07-10 15:26 ` Eric S Fraga
2009-08-03 4:27 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Andrew M. Nuxoll @ 2009-07-10 4:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs-orgmode
Nick Dokos wrote:
> Just an FYI (a nice one since Carsten said so :-): Carsten is the first
> name, Dominik (no c) is the surname of the creator of Org-mode. And I
> promise we'll be nice even after he comes back :-)
>
Err, whoops!
> So let me turn the question around: why do you need to both SCHEDULE
> and DEADLINE the same item?
>
In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. So,
I may be missing something. In my case, I am scheduling myself to work
on an item that has a deadline. I don't think that's an unusual
scenario. For example, I have a grant proposal I need to have a draft
of by Monday (DEADLINE) but I've scheduled Thursday afternoon to work on
it. By putting SCHEDULED on it means that it gets attention on that day
unless Murphy steps in. If Murphy does, then I still have the benefit
of the DEADLINE to keep me apprised of my dire situation.
An alternative (which I don't like) is to not use DEADLINE on a
SCHEDULED item. Instead, I can just attach a second date to the item
and label it "deadline" or "drop dead date." So, the best option I have
now is to ignore the double entry. I was hoping there was a magic
variable(TM) for this like there was with the other issue.
>
>> 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my
>> agenda. Can this be avoided?
> I believe this was answered already.
>
Yes it was. Thanks, Brian.
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* Re: Newbie Questions
2009-07-10 4:08 ` Andrew M. Nuxoll
@ 2009-07-10 7:06 ` Ian Barton
2009-07-10 15:26 ` Eric S Fraga
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Ian Barton @ 2009-07-10 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emacs-orgmode
Andrew M. Nuxoll wrote:
> Nick Dokos wrote:
>> Just an FYI (a nice one since Carsten said so :-): Carsten is the first
>> name, Dominik (no c) is the surname of the creator of Org-mode. And I
>> promise we'll be nice even after he comes back :-)
>>
> Err, whoops!
>> So let me turn the question around: why do you need to both SCHEDULE
>> and DEADLINE the same item?
>>
> In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. So,
> I may be missing something. In my case, I am scheduling myself to work
> on an item that has a deadline. I don't think that's an unusual
> scenario. For example, I have a grant proposal I need to have a draft
> of by Monday (DEADLINE) but I've scheduled Thursday afternoon to work on
> it. By putting SCHEDULED on it means that it gets attention on that day
> unless Murphy steps in. If Murphy does, then I still have the benefit
> of the DEADLINE to keep me apprised of my dire situation.
>
> An alternative (which I don't like) is to not use DEADLINE on a
> SCHEDULED item. Instead, I can just attach a second date to the item
> and label it "deadline" or "drop dead date." So, the best option I have
> now is to ignore the double entry. I was hoping there was a magic
> variable(TM) for this like there was with the other issue.
>>
You could specify a per deadline warning period. The example for the
manual: DEADLINE: <2004-02-29 Sun -5d>, which will start prompting you 5
days before the deadline. I use this to remind me that I need to start
working on something which has a fixed deadline.
Ian.
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* Re: Newbie Questions
2009-07-10 4:08 ` Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-07-10 7:06 ` Ian Barton
@ 2009-07-10 15:26 ` Eric S Fraga
[not found] ` <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>
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From: Eric S Fraga @ 2009-07-10 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew M. Nuxoll; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode
At Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:08:31 -0700,
Andrew M. Nuxoll wrote:
> In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining.
I agree with you on this point but, in this case, it makes sense for
both aspects to be highlighted in the agenda view. I would suggest
that you might wish to change (reduce) the warning period for the
deadline when you schedule an item or alternatively not schedule an
item but simply assign an appointment date/time (i.e. an active time
stamp) to it for when you want to work on the task. The latter is
what I do in many cases.
eric
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* Re: Newbie Questions
2009-07-10 3:16 ` Nick Dokos
2009-07-10 4:08 ` Andrew M. Nuxoll
@ 2009-08-03 4:27 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-08-03 4:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: Andrew M. Nuxoll, emacs-orgmode
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Andrew M. Nuxoll <nuxoll@up.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority
>> would
>> increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for
>> increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable
>> formula.
>> Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist?
>>
>
> I don't think anything like that exists, but with a Small[1] Amount of
> Programming (TM), it could probably be cobbled up - maybe as a cron
> job?
In fact, the priority does increase.
Org-mode has two notions of priority.
1. The specified priority like [#A]
2. A computed numerical priority
The specified priority is set solely by the user, and it is also the
only thing that influences how prioritized lines are displayed
according to `org-agenda-fontify-priorities'.
The computed priority is a number that all items in the agenda have,
you can look at the actual number pressing `P' in the agenda.
The number is composed of the specified priority times 1000, so #C
items have 0, #B items have 1000 and #A items have 2000.
TO this values, certain amounts are added depending on how close
you are to the deadline, or how long ago an item was first scheduled.
This computed, numerical priority is used when sorting items.
The numbers added for closeness to a deadline are usually not large
enough to make an overdue item with specified priority #B to score
higher than one with #A, but within each group of specified priorities,
closeness to a deadline does make a difference.
If you want items to change from #B to #A automatically, you need
to do some programming, as Nick says.
The formula is not configurable currently, nor is it documented
anywhere, nor do I remember exactly what the formula is :-D .
I am not a big fan of priorities, because I don't think one should
trust the system so much that it will actually decide for you what
to work on. However, I could dig up the formula, even make it
configurable if there was a need for it.
HTH
- Carsten
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* Re: Newbie Questions
2009-07-09 20:37 Newbie Questions Andrew M. Nuxoll
2009-07-09 21:04 ` Brian van den Broek
2009-07-10 3:16 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2009-07-10 17:43 ` Memnon Anon
2009-08-03 20:35 ` Samuel Wales
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From: Memnon Anon @ 2009-07-10 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"Andrew M. Nuxoll" <nuxoll@up.edu> writes:
> 1. When I view my agenda for a day it displays TODO items twice if they
> are both SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd (a common occurrence for me). Can this
> be avoided? Here's a generic example snippet from my agenda:
> Thursday 9 July 2009
> nux: Scheduled: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
> nux: In 1 d.: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT::
I think this is a feature.
For example, if I get some books from a library, I use the deadline to
mark when I absolutely must return the books. The schedule tells me:
Hey, I am near the library this day, so I *want* to do this today.
I absolutely want both informations in my agenda.
From the manual:
DEADLINE
Meaning: the task (most likely a TODO item, though not necessarily) is
supposed to be finished on that date.
SCHEDULED
Meaning: you are planning to start working on that task on the given
date.
You can set a different deadline for each item, but "avoiding this" totally
means avoiding crucial information in your agenda.
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2009-07-10 17:43 ` Memnon Anon
@ 2009-08-03 20:35 ` Samuel Wales
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2009-08-03 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew M. Nuxoll; +Cc: Emacs-orgmode
Hi Andrew,
On 2009-07-09, Andrew M. Nuxoll <nuxoll@up.edu> wrote:
> 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would
> increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for
> increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula.
> Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist?
I do not use priority-as-calculated. That is, I don't sort by
closeness to deadline, etc. That way, everything is in a consistent
order, which I find pleasing. I sort by my fixed urgency and
priority-as-set-by-user. This almost certainly violates GTD, but
priorities and urgencies work for me. Org flexibly supports any
method you want.
I do, however, rely on the agenda's built-in faces, and the second
colum that says "Deadline" etc., for status. These are very useful.
I have a thorough testcase for this and found several potential bugs
that I will report on in a separate post.
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