* Problem with shift-up
@ 2011-08-19 15:10 Peter Frings
2011-08-19 20:10 ` Bastien
2011-08-19 20:37 ` Ista Zahn
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Frings @ 2011-08-19 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode mailing list
Hi gang,
sorry to bother you all again, but my transition to the new emacs is now taking days and I’m getting really frustrated.
I’m trying to find out why shift-arrow on a date/time stamp no longer works with my brand new and shiny set-up.
Emacs 23, org-mode 7.7.
When running a minimal set-up (as described on the worg-FAQ), the shift-arrows keys work as expected: they change the date and time values in org’s timestamps.
When loading the starter-kit from Kieran Healy [1], things are not so smooth. I’ve been disabling all possible packages, trying to isolate the culprit, but to no avail. I searched the web and this mailing list, and found someone else with the same problem [2], but alas, no conclusive answer.
In both cases, 'shift-select-mode’ is t.
With the minimal set-up, S-up is bound to this (using C-h k):
<S-up> runs the command org-shiftup, which is an interactive compiled
Lisp function in `org.el’.
With the starter-kit, it’s:
<up> (translated from <S-up>) runs the command previous-line, which is
an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el’.
What the heck is ‘translating’ this key binding? How can I find the guilty one so I can do very cruel things to it?
Pointers very much appreciated!
Peter.
[1] http://kjhealy.github.com/emacs-starter-kit/
[2] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/34329
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* Re: Problem with shift-up
2011-08-19 15:10 Problem with shift-up Peter Frings
@ 2011-08-19 20:10 ` Bastien
2011-08-19 20:37 ` Ista Zahn
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-08-19 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Frings; +Cc: emacs-orgmode mailing list
Hi Peter,
Peter Frings <peter.frings@agfa.com> writes:
> When loading the starter-kit from Kieran Healy [1],
AFAIU, this starter-kit relies on the commit c88c76b of Org:
https://github.com/kjhealy/emacs-starter-kit/tree/master/src
Please make sure to report what your exact version of Org is (M-x
org-version), that might help.
> In both cases, 'shift-select-mode’ is t.
What is the value of `org-support-shift-select'? Maybe the
starter-kit is setting this variable.
> With the minimal set-up, S-up is bound to this (using C-h k):
> <S-up> runs the command org-shiftup, which is an interactive compiled
> Lisp function in `org.el’.
Good :)
> With the starter-kit, it’s:
> <up> (translated from <S-up>) runs the command previous-line, which is
> an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el’.
>
> What the heck is ‘translating’ this key binding?
When a composed keybinding like <S-up> does not point to any command,
Emacs "translates" it to <up> and use the associated command instead.
> How can I find the guilty one so I can do very cruel things to it?
I suggest you ask to the author of the starter-kit :)
Let us know if you make progress,
--
Bastien
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* Re: Problem with shift-up
2011-08-19 15:10 Problem with shift-up Peter Frings
2011-08-19 20:10 ` Bastien
@ 2011-08-19 20:37 ` Ista Zahn
2011-08-22 8:09 ` peter.frings
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ista Zahn @ 2011-08-19 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Frings; +Cc: emacs-orgmode mailing list
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Peter Frings <peter.frings@agfa.com> wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> sorry to bother you all again, but my transition to the new emacs is now taking days and I’m getting really frustrated.
>
> I’m trying to find out why shift-arrow on a date/time stamp no longer works with my brand new and shiny set-up.
>
> Emacs 23, org-mode 7.7.
>
> When running a minimal set-up (as described on the worg-FAQ), the shift-arrows keys work as expected: they change the date and time values in org’s timestamps.
>
> When loading the starter-kit from Kieran Healy [1], things are not so smooth. I’ve been disabling all possible packages, trying to isolate the culprit, but to no avail. I searched the web and this mailing list, and found someone else with the same problem [2], but alas, no conclusive answer.
>
> In both cases, 'shift-select-mode’ is t.
>
> With the minimal set-up, S-up is bound to this (using C-h k):
> <S-up> runs the command org-shiftup, which is an interactive compiled
> Lisp function in `org.el’.
>
> With the starter-kit, it’s:
> <up> (translated from <S-up>) runs the command previous-line, which is
> an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el’.
(windmove-default-keybindings) is called in
starter-kit-keybindings.org, and this does take of the shift +
direction keys. The 'Helpful packages' section of starter-kit-org.org
also looks suspicious.
Best,
Ista
>
> What the heck is ‘translating’ this key binding? How can I find the guilty one so I can do very cruel things to it?
>
> Pointers very much appreciated!
> Peter.
>
> [1] http://kjhealy.github.com/emacs-starter-kit/
> [2] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/34329
>
>
>
>
--
Ista Zahn
Graduate student
University of Rochester
Department of Clinical and Social Psychology
http://yourpsyche.org
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* Re: Problem with shift-up
2011-08-19 20:37 ` Ista Zahn
@ 2011-08-22 8:09 ` peter.frings
2011-08-22 15:57 ` Problem with shift-up [solved] Peter Frings
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: peter.frings @ 2011-08-22 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ista Zahn, Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode mailing list
Good morning all,
I’ve got some answers for Bastien and Ista below.
On 19 Aug 2011, at 22:10, Bastien wrote:
> Peter Frings <peter.frings@agfa.com> writes:
>
>> When loading the starter-kit from Kieran Healy [1],
>
> AFAIU, this starter-kit relies on the commit c88c76b of Org:
> https://github.com/kjhealy/emacs-starter-kit/tree/master/src
>
> Please make sure to report what your exact version of Org is (M-x
> org-version), that might help.
org-mode 7.7. However, it does not seem like an org problem since it works fine with a minimal org set-up.
>> In both cases, 'shift-select-mode’ is t.
>
> What is the value of `org-support-shift-select'? Maybe the
> starter-kit is setting this variable.
nil
>> What the heck is ‘translating’ this key binding?
>
> When a composed keybinding like <S-up> does not point to any command,
> Emacs "translates" it to <up> and use the associated command instead.
>
>> How can I find the guilty one so I can do very cruel things to it?
>
> I suggest you ask to the author of the starter-kit :)
Might not be a bad idea :-)
On 19 Aug 2011, at 22:37, Ista Zahn wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Peter Frings <peter.frings@agfa.com> wrote:
>
> (windmove-default-keybindings) is called in
> starter-kit-keybindings.org, and this does take of the shift +
> direction keys. The 'Helpful packages' section of starter-kit-org.org
> also looks suspicious.
Sorry, I forgot to mention… I disabled those windmove-default-keybindings and bound the windmove keys to A-M-left and friends. I also disabled those in the starter-kit-org.
I fear that debugging this issue will take way too much time from my work. I might go back to something simpler, although I was appealed to the neat structure and the use of org mode of setting up emacs. But that same neatness and de-structuring makes the whole thing a bit opaque.
Thanks for the suggestions, and I’m open for more! :-)
Cheers,
Peter.
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* Re: Problem with shift-up [solved]
2011-08-22 8:09 ` peter.frings
@ 2011-08-22 15:57 ` Peter Frings
2011-08-23 16:24 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Frings @ 2011-08-22 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ista Zahn, Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode mailing list
Hello all,
On 19 Aug 2011, at 22:10, Bastien wrote:
> Let us know if you make progress,
Yes, I did. I did find the offending command. Hooray!
(setq org-replace-disputed-keys t)
Was set in the init.el file of the starter-kit.
Now, is it just me or is the relation between this variable and ‘org-support-shift-select’ slightly confusing?
Anyway, it now works the way I want. Yippie!
Thanks for the patience and the support!
Peter.
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* Re: Problem with shift-up [solved]
2011-08-22 15:57 ` Problem with shift-up [solved] Peter Frings
@ 2011-08-23 16:24 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-08-23 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Frings; +Cc: Ista Zahn, emacs-orgmode mailing list
Hi Peter,
Peter Frings <peter.frings@agfa.com> writes:
> Yes, I did. I did find the offending command. Hooray!
Great -- thanks for sharing!
> (setq org-replace-disputed-keys t)
>
> Was set in the init.el file of the starter-kit.
>
> Now, is it just me or is the relation between this variable and
> ‘org-support-shift-select’ slightly confusing?
Mhh... maybe. I need to investigate further. If you have time
to investigate on your side, please share your results!
> Thanks for the patience and the support!
You're welcome,
Best,
--
Bastien
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