From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: a bit offtopic, fonts in exported PDF documents - oops Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:09:30 +0200 Message-ID: <00969265-2310-4D44-8AB7-760CB81FE9FD@gmail.com> References: <4C76A590.9050800@ccbr.umn.edu> <20100827074111.38ed3280.alantyree@gmail.com> <26419.1283179859@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <4C7BCA58.7070503@ccbr.umn.edu> <31733.1283183895@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <59985F38-8550-4357-86B1-4199F382BB30@gmail.com> <6206.1283237481@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59404 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OqKyR-0008A1-U3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:09:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OqKyQ-0000j3-98 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:09:39 -0400 Received: from paard.ic.uva.nl ([145.18.40.182]:58585) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OqKyP-0000iw-Tb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:09:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6206.1283237481@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Cc: emacs-orgmode On Aug 31, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Nick Dokos wrote: > Carsten Dominik wrote: > > >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Nick Dokos wrote: >> >>> Erik Iverson wrote: >>> >>>> That would be my thought, too. However, it appears that cm-super >>>> is >>>> only "suggested" by texlive-fonts-extra, so in general >>>> will not get installed with that package, unless you ask for >>>> suggested packages also. (This is all Debian/Ubuntu by the way). >>>> >>> >>> Right. I was wrong about texlive-fonts-extra: you need to install >>> the >>> cm-super package to get the cm-super fonts. I am investigating the >>> various fonts right now and will update the org-dependencies.org =20 >>> file on >>> Worg later on this week. We can also add a FAQ entry to point back >>> to >>> org-dependencies - that should take care of the documentation >>> changes, >>> right? > > I added a question to the FAQ with a pointer to a more extended (but > still > incomplete) discussion in org-dependencies. I'll try to add more > information > to the table later on this week. Thanks Nick! - Carsten > > Nick > >>> >>>> Both this system and MikTeX >>>> offer cm-super as a standalone package, so perhaps just >>>> recommending >>>> that package (cm-super) would suffice? I confirmed that cm-super >>>> is >>>> not one of the default MikTeX packages in a standard install, so >>>> Windows users may benefit from this advice, too. >>> >>> Do windows users use evince? I'd think they mostly go with Acrobat >>> =20 >>> Reader, >>> in which case they should have no problems with Type3 fonts. >>> >>>>> The other possible change that Erik identified is the deletion >>>>> of =20= >> >>>>> the >>>>> t1enc package from the list of packages that org includes in =20 >>>>> exported >>>>> LaTeX by default. I haven't tried without it, but it does indeed >>>>> =20 >>>>> seem to >>>>> be an obsolete remnant of times long past. >>>> >>>> I have tried without it. I was unable to to see any differences >>>> =20 >>>> between >>>> using \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} and adding the \usepackage{t1enc} >>>> line. This makes sense given the FAQ answer below. >>>> >>> >>> So getting rid of the \usepackage{t1enc} in org sounds like the >>> right >>> thing to do (but including it does not hurt, so there is no urgency, >>> iiuc.) >> >> OK, thanks to all of you - I have removed the t1enc entry now. >> >> - Carsten >> >>> >>> Nick >>> >>>> The TeX FAQ >>>>> (http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=3Dt1enc ) says: >>>>> >>>>> ,---- >>>>> | Why use fontenc rather than t1enc? >>>>> | | In the very earliest days of LaTeX2e, the only way to use >>>>> the T1 >>>>> | encoding was t1enc; with the summer 1994 =93production=94 >>>>> release, = >> the >>>>> | fontenc package appeared, and provided comprehensive support >>>>> for =20= >> >>>>> use of >>>>> | the encoding. >>>>> | | Nevertheless, the t1enc package remains (as part of the LaTeX >>>>> 2.09 >>>>> | compatibility code), but it does very little: it merely >>>>> selects =20= >> >>>>> font >>>>> | encoding T1, and leaves to the user the business of generating >>>>> the >>>>> | character codes required. >>>>> | | Generating such character codes could be a simple matter, if >>>>> the >>>>> T1 >>>>> | encoding matched any widely-supported encoding standard, since >>>>> =20 >>>>> in that >>>>> | case, one might expect one=92s keyboard to generate the >>>>> character >>>>> | codes. However, the T1 encoding is a mix of several standard =20 >>>>> encodings, >>>>> | and includes code points in areas of the table which standard >>>>> =20 >>>>> encodings >>>>> | specifically exclude, so no T1 keyboards have been (or ever >>>>> will =20= >> >>>>> be) >>>>> | manufactured. >>>>> | | By contrast, the fontenc package generates the T1 code points >>>>> from >>>>> | ordinary LaTeX commands (e.g., it generates the =E9 character >>>>> =20 >>>>> codepoint >>>>> | from the command \=92e). So, unless you have program-generated >>>>> T1 =20= >> >>>>> input, >>>>> | use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} rather than \usepackage{t1enc}. >>>>> `---- >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>>> >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> - Carsten